Thread: History Bits from TalkGold

Originally Posted by EdKra

I have no reason not to give you the whole story.

We'll just agree to disagree on that.

Originally Posted by EdKra

Why is that? While you do have the truth from me, you obviously don't have the whole story because that would probably take a 200 page book to convey. There was a 1 year investigation and no criminal wrongdoing was found. That's what's important. Everything else is irrelevant in relation to us.

Agreeing not to bring charges in exchange for some assets and who knows what else is not the same as not finding any criminal wrongdoing.

If you did not agree to forfeit the property, you would have been forced to go to court.

Originally Posted by EdKra

In essence, in a civil asset forfeiture case, the government makes a claim on assets alleging that those assets were involved in criminal activity. This happens a lot with vehicles used to transport drugs or illegal goods. For example, if John borrows Tom's car to deliver drugs to Susan, Tom's car can be seized and later "arrested in REM" by the government since it was used in the crime, even though Tom had no idea that the crime was taking place or that it ever did take place. In turn, Tom needs to go to court and fight a lengthy legal battle which would be titled something along the lines of "US Government Vs. Tom's Car" to prove against a preponderance of evidence that he was unbeknownst to the fact the car was going to be used in a crime. Tom isn't accused of a crime, but his assets are essentially accused as being part of the crime. The August 21st asset forfeiture case is against a small portion of our assets, as it says in the header of the claim. It doesn't say "DOJ Vs. OUR NAMES" but rather "US Government vs. certain assets".

In order to make your analogy relevant, please tell us what crime your rental property was allegedly used to commit.

According to your claim, if the DOJ determined and admitted that Tom was innocent they would still keep his car. Maybe if John bought Tom the car with drug money.

If the DOJ determined that you were innocent, they would have released all of your assets.

Instead, they were willing to go to court to prove that the asset seizure was justified.

In order to avoid court and a potential loss there that would have opened you up to so many more possible issues down the road, all you guys had to do was give up an asset(and maybe some info) that was purchased with money made via your fraud forums or whatever other kind of seedy **** you guys may have been into.

A pretty easy and proper decision for you.